Musk’s latest interview： I know more about manufacturing than the whole earth! Buy Twitter for freedom of speech
author | Chedongxi team
Edit | Han Xiao
Musk’s latest interview is coming, 55 questions in 55 minutes, and the golden sentence is constant!
Just yesterday, Musk was invited to attend the TED2022 conference speech, and had a conversation with Chris Anderson, the head of TED, for more than 50 minutes. He talked about Musk’s recent $10 billion acquisition of Twitter, and also talked about sensitive topics such as Musk’s "securities fraud" and whether he was the real founder. Finally, he talked about his philosophy of life.
TED is a private non-profit organization in the United States, which is famous for its TED conference. The purpose of this conference is to "spread all ideas worth spreading". TED was born in 1984, and its founder was richard saul wurman. Since 2001, Chris Anderson has taken over TED, founded The Sapling Foundation, and run the TED conference. Every March, the TED conference brings together many outstanding figures in the fields of science, design, literature and music in North America to share their thoughts and explorations on technology, society and people.
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▲ Musk is at TED.
This time, Musk, as the closing speaker of the TED conference in 2022, shows that his influence is very strong. TED officially described Musk’s speech like this-
"Since we gathered in Vancouver for the TED conference three years ago, times have changed. Everything is different. We are facing a brand-new, wonderful and celebratory era. The future is coming to us with extraordinary possibilities that we dare not imagine. In medicine, AI, clean energy … and the way we work and study, even the basic economy and all-inclusive social system, profound changes are taking place. "
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▲TED official description
In this program, Musk did not speak alone on the stage like the usual TED speaker. Chris Anderson, the head of TED, had a face-to-face interview with Musk. Throughout the interview, Musk made frequent sentences and talked about many exciting topics:
1. I am not always right
2. We are confident to realize FSD in 2022.
3. The development potential of humanoid robots will be much greater than that of automobiles.
4. The humanoid robot cannot be OTA.
5. Consider launching Miss Robot.
6. Robots are cheaper than cars
7. Self-exposure is the worst thing to start a business.
I lived in a factory for three years and ran around like a madman.
9. I know more about manufacturing than all living people.
All in all, this nearly one-hour conversation is very informative and wonderful, and it is an important window to understand Musk. The following is the full compilation of this video conversation by Che Dongxi, which has been slightly revised to conform to Chinese reading.
I am confident that the humanoid robot that can solve the problem of fully automatic driving this year will have a bright future.
Chris Anderson: In a few minutes, elon musk will come to the stage to have a conversation with me. Before that, let’s take a look at my interview with him in the factory in Texas. On the day before the opening ceremony of the Texas Super Factory, I was lucky enough to be invited to that super factory and visited the super factory in elon musk in advance. I tell you responsibly that it was really shocking.
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▲ Outside the Texas factory
In Musk’s view, the sustainable future is not only to produce electric vehicles, but to build a system that can produce a large number of electric vehicles. After obtaining a certain profit, it can provide funds for further growth.
At that time, when I was in the Texas factory, I wasn’t sure whether Musk would come to our program, so I seized the opportunity to record a long interview with him, and now I will show 8 minutes of it.
The following is an interview video conversation:
1、Chris AndersonNow let’s discuss a question about artificial intelligence. I’m curious about your timeline. How do you predict the future? Some things you predict are surprisingly accurate, while others are not. When predicting the sales of cars, you predicted it very accurately.2014In, the annual sales volume of automobiles wassixTen thousand units, you said at that time, to2020The annual sales in 2008 will arrive.50Ten thousand units.
Musk: Yes, we sold almost 500,000 cars in 2020.
2、Chris AndersonFive years ago, it was your last visit.TEDAt that time, I interviewed you about autonomous driving. You said yes at that time, this year (2022I am confident that a car will drive from L.A. to new york without any intervention.
Musk: I’m not always right.
3、Chris AndersonThen tell me the difference between the two. whyImplementation time of FSDUnpredictable?
Musk: There are many problems in autonomous driving. Sometimes you think you have solved the problem, but in the end you will find that you just have a ceiling problem. If you use a chart to describe the progress, then (autonomous driving research and development) is like a series of logarithmic curves. At first, the progress rises linearly, and then it begins to decline, and your income (research and development progress) is decreasing. But to solve FSD, we must solve the real world AI. The road network is designed as a biological neural network-that is, the brain and vision (eyes) work together. In order to make the brain and eyes work together with the computer, it is necessary to solve the real world AI and vision.
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▲ A logarithmic curve function
4、Chris AndersonDo you think it’s possible to keep the logarithmic curve from turning around soon with the architecture you have now?
Musk: To be honest, I admit that what I say next may be seen as drawing a pie, but in fact I am confident that this problem will be solved this year.
5、Chris Anderson: Is there such a factor? In fact, you are deliberately making a forecast table ahead of the time line to inspire employees’ confidence and fighting spirit. If there is no fighting spirit, nothing can be done. Recently, you made a surprising remark. You said that the most important product development may be carried out this year, which is humanoid robot.OptimusReally? Did it give you confidence in the process of developing autonomous driving, so that you can do something special in this respect?
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▲ humanoid robot
Musk: Yes, it took me some time to realize that to solve the problem of autonomous driving, we need to really solve the artificial intelligence in the real world. A smart car is actually a robot with four wheels, and then you can extend it and imagine it as a robot with legs. At present, what we need is basically the intelligence in the real world and the expansion of manufacturing scale, which are also two things that we are very good at, so we basically only need to design the special actuators and sensors needed by humanoid robots.
People haven’t realized that the development potential of humanoid robots will be much greater than that of cars.
6、Chris AndersonI think the first application of humanoid robot you mentioned may be manufacturing, but in the end its vision is to let people use these things at home.
Musk: Exactly.
7、Chris AndersonIf you have a robot, it knows the three-dimensional structure of your house, knows where every object in the house is or should be, and can identify all objects. This is a bit surprising, so what would you let the robot do? Cleaning and tidying?
Musk: Yes.
8、Chris Anderson: Cooking dinner and mowing the lawn.
Musk: Pour tea for grandma, watch family photo albums with her, and take care of my grandma.
9、Chris AndersonTo be exact, the robot can recognize everyone in the family and play catch with your children.
Musk: Yes. I mean, obviously we need to be careful not to become a dystopia. One of the most important things is to install a localized ROM chip on the robot, which cannot be upgraded by OTA. Once you or anyone gives a "stop, stop" command to the robot, the robot will stop. This kind of robot cannot be updated remotely. I think it is very important to have such a security function.
10、Chris AndersonYes, that sounds wise.
Musk: In this regard, I think there should be a regular regulatory body. I have said for many years that although I don’t like being supervised, public safety is very important.
11、Chris Anderson: Do you think robots will be in2050Did it appear in most families in 2008 or other times? People may think that you will basically have your own housekeeper.
Musk: Yes, people will let robots do something.
12、Chris AndersonYou will have your robot housekeeper.
Musk: Yes, you will have your robot partner, to a large extent.
13、Chris AndersonHow many programs do you think you have to write to make robots human?/Love partner? You know that when robots become human partners, it is inevitable to talk about sex.
Musk: I did say on the Internet that robot call girls would be produced.
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▲ Musk tweeted whether to produce Catgirl robots.
The two sides laughed …
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▲ Musk laughs.
Musk: This is what people really want …
14、Chris AndersonWhen do you think the first batch of humanoid robots will be produced and sold?
Musk: I tend to apply robots first to jobs that are dangerous, boring, repetitive and people don’t want to do. This year, we may produce an interesting prototype robot, and probably within two years, we will make something useful. Then, the practicability of humanoid robot will increase rapidly year by year, the cost will be reduced and the production scale will be expanded.
15、Chris Anderson: What do you think the cost will be?
Musk: Actually, I don’t think the cost will be outrageous. It should be lower than the cost of a car.
16、Chris AndersonBut from an economic point of view, if you can pay in one lump sum.2.5Ten thousand dollars (about RMB)16Ten thousand yuan), buy a robot instead of an annual salary.threeWan ~fourTen thousand dollars (about RMB)19Ten thousand yuan ~25.5Ten thousand yuan) workers, and workers also need to pay wages every year, and robots can work longer hours without taking vacations. I mean, robots may quickly replace some types of jobs. Will the world be worried about this?
Musk: I’m not worried about people losing their jobs. Our labor shortage is already serious, and it will get worse in the future, so I don’t think there will be any unemployment in the future, and there will still be labor shortage. If everything in the world is abundant, any goods and services will be provided to anyone who needs them, and the goods and services are very cheap, which will be ridiculous.
Second, the acquisition of Twitter for freedom of speech became a traffic accident.
Chris Anderson: Everyone is very interested in Musk’s live broadcast. Here is what I think is very important-live broadcast. Welcome listeners from all over the world to participate in TED2022. This week, we have been listening to people with lofty ideals’ imagination about the next era of mankind. Next, we will invite the most visionary among them-elon musk!
17. Chris Anderson: Hi, Elon, welcome! Elon, a few hours ago, you proposed to buy Twitter. Why?
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▲ Musk pushed to buy Twitter.
Musk: How do you know?
18. Chris Anderson: I don’t know.
Musk: By the way, have you seen the movie Teddy Bear?
19. Chris Anderson: I have seen it, so I have a question. Why did you make this proposal?
Musk: Oh, well, I think it is very important to have an inclusive stage for free speech.
I think Twitter should open its own algorithm whether it is required or not. They should let people know that it is very important that everyone can speak freely within the scope of the law. Therefore, there should be no problem of behind-the-scenes manipulation, whether it is algorithm or manual.
20. Chris Anderson: But when we talked last week, you still said that you didn’t want to buy Twitter. It is the source of your pain. Everyone will blame you for all the problems. What changed your mind?
Musk: No, I think I bought Twitter, and people will still blame me for everything. Everyone is chattering, but if something goes wrong, it’s 100% my fault. I will be hurt and sad.
Chris Anderson: But you still want to do it. Why?
Musk: I mean, I hope it’s not too bad, but I still think it’s important and interesting, just like Twitter is important to democracy. In addition, it is also very important to the United States and other countries. In fact, it helps other countries in the world more freely than the United States. Therefore, if we can increase our trust in Twitter, the risk of human civilization will be reduced. So I think it will be a bit painful, and I don’t know if I can really get it. My purpose is to keep the shareholders of private companies allowed by law, around 2000.
We are not from the perspective of how to monopolize or maximize my ownership of Twitter, but we will try our best to assume the responsibilities we can.
Chris Anderson: You don’t necessarily want to pay $4 billion or $1 billion in cash, do you? Do you want them to do it with you?
Musk: I think I can afford it. But what I want to say is that this is not the way to make money. But I feel that it is very important for the future civilization if there is a public platform that can be trusted and tolerated to the greatest extent. But I don’t care about those figures you said.
23. Chris Anderson: OK, I know what you mean. It’s not a question of money, but to do something more moral.You describe yourself as an absolutist of freedom of speech, but does this mean that people can say everything without saying anything?
Musk: Well, I think it’s obvious that Twitter or any forum is subject to the laws of the country where it is located. Therefore, the United States obviously has some restrictions on freedom of speech. Of course, Twitter has to follow these correct rules.
Chris Anderson: So you can’t incite people to violence, just like directly inciting violence. For example, you know you can’t shout fire in the cinema.
Musk: Yes, this is a crime.
Chris Anderson: But the problem is that there are subtle differences between different things. Illegal violence is not good, but some forms of hate speech are.
Someone tweeted that I hate a politician. This is possible. Another tweet is that I hope a politician is not alive, with a picture of them, a gun, or their address on it. I mean, at some point, someone has to make a decision and decide which ones are bad. Algorithms can do this, and of course, at some point, you also need human judgment.
Musk: No, in my opinion, Twitter should comply with national laws and be obliged to do so. However, if we violate this point and don’t know who is making what changes to whom, let tweets be promoted and downgraded without insight, and let the black box algorithm promote some specific content, I think this may be quite dangerous.
26. Chris Anderson: So the idea of an open Twitter algorithm is an influential decision. I think many people will welcome it and want to know how it made a decision, and will criticize and comment on it.
Musk: I want to improve it, such as putting the code on github. You can ask questions or suggest changes, just like you update Linux code.
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▲ open source website GitHub
27. Chris Anderson: Now there is a view that what the algorithm needs to do is to see how many people mark a tweet as illegal, and then at some point, manually check and judge whether it is illegal. But the algorithm can’t distinguish whether it is legal or not, so the question is who can distinguish whether tweets are illegal or not. Twitter, Facebook and other companies employ thousands of people to judge and decide whether the pictures you send are illegal. But the problem is that no one makes wise judgments.
Musk: Well, if you have any questions about this question, please keep it first. Because if this is a gray area, I would say let Twitter exist. But obviously you also know that there may be a lot of controversy in a case, and you don’t want to promote the Twitter. Besides, I don’t know all the answers.
But I am sure that we are just very reluctant to delete things, and we are just very cautious about these things. But on the whole, Twitter will not be perfect, but I think we really want to have as much freedom of speech as possible. A good sign is that people you don’t like are allowed to say things you don’t like. If so, then we have freedom of speech. When people you don’t like say things you don’t like, this is a sign of a healthy free speech situation, and it is also very annoying.
28. Chris Anderson: I think many people will agree with this, so let’s look at the online reaction. Many people are excited about your arrival and the changes you proposed, but others are absolutely frightened. These people will say, wait a minute, we agree that Twitter is a very important "city square", a place where people in the world exchange opinions and discuss about life and death. How can it be owned by the richest people in the world? This is impossible. So what do you do? I mean, how can you guarantee the content and convince people in a very clear way?
Musk: Any manual adjustment will be recognized. For example, if this tweet, if someone does something on Twitter, a message will be sent, and you know they tweeted. But if someone does something to promote demotion or otherwise influence a tweet, such as the ranking of media ownership. I mean, you know, Zuckerberg owns shares in Facebook and Instagram and Whatsapp, so he still controls these social media. But we don’t do these things on Twitter.
29. Chris Anderson: If you promise to open source Twitter algorithm, it will definitely give people a certain degree of confidence. Talk about some other changes you have proposed, so how will you solve the edit button?
Musk: Yes, my priority is to eliminate spam and scam robots and the army of robots on Twitter. You know I think these influences make the product worse.
30. Chris Anderson: But only on the edit button, how do you get around the question: Someone tweeted "I’m Elon Rocks", and two million people tweeted the message, and then they edited the message and turned it into "I’m Elon Sucks", and then all these retweets embarrassed them? How do you avoid this situation and prevent the forwarder from being used?
Musk: I think we can only have editing ability in a very short time, and what we may have to do when editing is to zero all forwarding and collections.
31. Chris Anderson: OK. I want to show you a tweet that I sent myself. It is true that the text is a bit lame and wordy, but I actually got 97 praises. Then I sent another one (the tweet mentioned that Musk was going to give a speech at TED), with 29,000 likes! So this algorithm, at least for now, is elon musk, the traffic cipher.
Musk: Yes, it’s really cool.
32. Chris Anderson: You did build a huge fan base on Twitter, but some people think that many of your tweets are something between embarrassment and madness. So this is the reason for its success?
Musk: I don’t know. However, my posts on Twitter are more or less stream of consciousness, because in fact, many things I post are not grand plans. Like most people, I just think this thing is very interesting, and then I take my mobile phone and send it out when I am squatting in the toilet or in other places. That is, over-sharing (laughs).
Chris Anderson: But you seem obsessed with getting the most out of every minute of your day, so why not?
Musk: I don’t know. I’m just trying to post some interesting things on Twitter, but unexpectedly, many people like these things I sent.
34. Chris Anderson: So if you don’t succeed in investing in Twitter, how can you protect your own funds?
Musk: I have money, and this is not a forward-looking statement. I mean, actually, even when I cooperated with, my funds were guaranteed.
In addition, I want to clarify one thing. At the beginning, the San Francisco office of the Securities and Exchange Commission knew that our funds were in place, but they still made a public investigation with great fanfare. At that time, the financial situation was already in jeopardy. The bank informed me that if I didn’t agree to settle with the Securities and Exchange Commission, they would stop providing working capital and go bankrupt immediately. Therefore, it’s like putting a gun to your child’s head, so I was forced to admit defeat illegally to these bastard securities companies. Besides, now they say it makes me look like I’m lying, but in fact I’m not lying. I’m forced to admit it. I lied to save my life, that’s the only reason.
Note: In August 2018, Musk said on Twitter that he intended to privatize the company at a price of 420 US dollars per share (about 2,672 yuan). Subsequently, the US Securities and Exchange Commission sued him and accused him of committing securities fraud. Finally, Musk was forced to resign as chairman of the board of directors and only served as CEO.
Chris Anderson: Considering what actually happened after that, aren’t you glad you didn’t privatize it?
Musk: I mean, it’s hard for you to put yourself in the position at that time. At that time, it was attacked by the most ruthless short seller in the history of the stock market, which can be said to be the most short-selling stock in the history of the stock market. This actually affects our ability to hire employees and sell cars. Those short-selling institutions just want to die.
36. Chris Anderson: I mean, many people who support you will say that you have brought a lot to the world. So don’t waste your time on these battles that bring negative emotions, which will make people think you are defending.
Musk: Well, I mean I’m a mixed person.
Chris Anderson: You are a fighter, and you don’t like losing.
Musk: Of course, I don’t like losing. But the truth is very important to me, and my obsession with the truth is even a little morbid.
Chris Anderson: OK, so you don’t like failure. But if you don’t succeed in this case-I mean, if Twitter’s board doesn’t accept your offer, and you have said it, you won’t pay any higher price. So have you prepared Plan B?
Musk: Yes.
Chris Anderson: I think we’d like to hear something about Plan B.
Musk: Maybe next time.
Third, yes, the real founder saved those three years like hell.
40. Chris Anderson: OK. Let’s change the subject. In fact, we collected a lot of questions to ask you when planning this program. One of them is very interesting-if you could go back and change a decision you made in your past life, which one would it be and why?
Musk: Do you mean a career decision or something?
41. Chris Anderson: It means any decision made in the past few years, for example, you decided to invest in Twitter from the beginning, or anything you can do.
Musk: Well, I mean, the worst business decision I ever made was that I didn’t start it with J. B. Straubel. This is the worst decision I have made so far, and there is no one.
42. Chris Anderson: J.B. Straubel is a visionary co-founder. He is fascinated by batteries and knows them very well.
Musk: When I invested, it was a shell company with no employees and no intellectual property rights, but Martin Eberhard, one of the other co-founders, made a wrong statement-I don’t want to discuss these dirty things here, but I really didn’t invest in an entity company that actually existed at that time.
In the end, the company was founded by J. B. Straubel and me. Unfortunately, one person and another co-founder said that he founded the company, which is incorrect.
43. Chris Anderson: Is there still a problem in the development of? Almost went bankrupt, as you mentioned before, partly because you overestimated the possibility of factory automation at that time, and spent a lot of money, which was a little over-automated, but it didn’t succeed and almost brought down the company. Is that right?
Musk: I mean, the first thing to know is what has been accomplished, which is the most noteworthy. The difficulty is not to create electric cars or to create prototypes of electric cars or to produce cars in small quantities. Over the years, there have been hundreds of car start-ups in the entire American market. Yes, so the difficult part is not to create a prototype or start a small batch of production.
The real difficulty is what many American auto companies have not accomplished in the past 100 years-mass production without bankruptcy, which is the real difficulty.
44. Chris Anderson: Right. I did it.
Musk: At that time, we basically screwed up almost every aspect of the Model 3 production line, from batteries to battery packs, to the body production line, painting workshop and final assembly. Everything was screwed up. I lived in factories in fremont and Nevada for three years, repairing production lines, running around the factory like a madman and living with the team. At that time, I slept on the floor, because then, the team members who were experiencing difficulties could see me sleeping on the floor instead of in the ivory tower, and they would know that no matter what pain they experienced, I was there.
45. Chris Anderson: But some people who know you well actually think that you have made a terrible mistake, that is, you almost pushed yourself to the edge of reason, which means that you are at risk of making a wrong choice.
In fact, I heard you say last week that you will spend every minute meaningfully because of your great value now. It sounds as if you are in danger of going to the edge of reason because you pursue time efficiency too much. This doesn’t sound particularly wise.
Musk: I mean, there was no other way to bring it back to life. I almost lived in hell for those three years. （2017-2019）
These three years are the longest painful period in my life, but there is no other way, because we have been on the verge of bankruptcy. So you think I want to experience pain, but I don’t. But these pains must be done, or they will die.
46. Chris Anderson: After three years, what advantages do you think there are in manufacturing now?
Musk: At this point, I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone alive on earth. Yes, I can tell you how every damn part of that car is made. If you only lived in the factory for three years and hacked into these machines for six weeks in a row, you would be like me.
Chris Anderson: I understand that you are writing a new master plan. You think mass production is the core of this plan. Why do you think mass production is so important?
Musk: At present, we still rely on fossil fuels and should realize the sustainable development of energy, so we must pass wind energy, solar energy, hydro energy, geothermal energy and even nuclear energy (I am a believer in nuclear energy and have discussed it). But solar energy and wind energy are indirect, so we must have a fixed battery, and then we will convert all the means of transportation into electric ones, and we may achieve a sustainable future by doing these things.
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▲ Solar panels
Therefore, the faster the scale of production, the less impact we have on the environment. Obviously, the production of batteries is the requirement of promoting sustainable development. We estimate that about 300TWh batteries are needed to store electricity and transition to a society that is completely electric energy.
48. Chris Anderson: To achieve such a thing, it is necessary to install more than 1,000 times of batteries. This is a very amazing thing. In addition to doing it, we must appeal to others to do the rest. This is the task of human beings, and deal with energy changes through a lot of work.
Musk: Yes, I think so. How quickly we can expand the scale and encourage others to expand the scale is the basis of reaching 300TWh batteries, and then we need to recycle these batteries. The raw materials are like high-quality ore, and even if the battery pack can’t be used, its value is about 1,000 US dollars (about 6,366 yuan).
This is necessary to realize a sustainable energy future, so we have taken a series of actions to accelerate the realization of a sustainable energy future.
Fourth, it is meaningful to write programming all night. Musk said that I love human beings deeply.
49. Chris Anderson: I will be very interested in your release of the third part of the master plan. You claimed to have Asperger’s syndrome on saturday night live. I’d like to know your views on Asperger’s syndrome? Even we really want to know about your childhood experience.
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▲ Musk (middle) is in saturday night live.
Musk: I think everyone’s experience will be different, but for me, I am more like a bookworm and not very good at socializing, which makes me bullied a lot. Frankly speaking, I didn’t have a happy childhood, which is very bad, but I read a lot of books and gradually learned more from the books I read and the movies I watched. But it took me a while to understand what most people intuitively sensed.
Chris Anderson: So I wonder if this affects you in a strange way and indirectly affects many people. The human brain is plastic. For some reason, many people spend a lot of time, energy and spiritual energy indulging in the external world and society. If this behavior is cut off, it may help you to understand the inner world more deeply than most people.
Musk: I think it’s certainly possible, and it’s also valuable from a technical point of view, because I find it very meaningful to spend a whole night programming computers. I believe most people don’t like typing strange symbols in their computers all night. They think it’s not fun, but I really like it.
So I will program all night alone. I think it’s interesting, but I know it’s not normal.
Chris Anderson: Every entrepreneur sees the possibility of the future and then takes action to make it a reality. Therefore, based on a deep understanding of physics, you will see the possibilities of science and know what the basic equations are and what they can achieve. You will see the possibility of technology, combine the economy with the possibility to get the actual cost, and then you can imagine a system where you can afford the thing you made, and sometimes you will be sure that you can do something great by putting some pieces together.
Musk: Yes, I think no matter what conditions I have, I am absolutely obsessed with the truth. The obsession with the truth is the reason why I study physics, because physics tries to understand the truth, the truth of the universe and the truth with predictive ability. For me, no one asked me to study physics, it is just a very natural study, to understand the nature of the universe.
Secondly, computer science or information theory, which I am also very interested in.
52. Chris Anderson: Is the truth of the universe like the basic truth that drives the universe, like a deep curiosity about what the universe is, and why?
Musk: When I was a young man, I was very depressed about the meaning of life. I tried to understand the meaning of life through religious texts, and I also read many books by German philosophers. For a young man, this is absolutely unwise.
Finally, I read The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. In fact, it is a book about philosophy, but disguised as a stupid comedy novel. Douglas Adams pointed out that the question is actually more difficult than the answer.
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▲ Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
53. Chris Anderson: This is actually the pursuit of the problem. What do you think?
Musk: There is a suggestion about the world outlook or an inspiring philosophy, that is, understanding what questions to ask. If we expand the scope and scale of consciousness beyond biology and numbers, we will be able to better ask questions and understand why we are here, how we got here and what happened, so this is my driving idea, and expand the scope and scale of consciousness so that we can better understand the nature of the universe.
Chris Anderson: The most touching thing last week was to see you go out to play with your children. What kind of future do you think he will grow in?
Musk: He vaguely looks like a ventriloquist dummy. How do you know he is real? (Laughter) I feel that he will grow up in a very digital future, a world completely different from my growing environment, but we all want to do our best to ensure that the future is beautiful for everyone’s children. The future should be something we can look forward to without feeling sorry for it.
Every morning when we get up, we should be very excited about the future, which will make us struggle for what we are excited about in the future. The future can’t just be one tragic thing after another, and then we will deal with tragic things one after another. There will be something exciting in the future, just like you want to live. This is very important.
55. Chris Anderson: But as far as the future is concerned, there will still be some terrible things. You have seen a road connecting the Earth and Mars, and we are excited by artificial intelligence, but do you really believe in your heart that you are bringing an exciting future to others?
Musk: I am doing my best to do this. I love mankind. We should fight for the bright future of mankind. We should be optimistic about the future and strive for this optimistic future.
Chris Anderson: I think this is the best time to end this discussion. Thank you very much for taking the time to come here. Thank you for your work. Good luck and thank you.